Heh I wish I'd get a little kid in my party who macro'd me "i'm only 5 years old and I cant reply" or something along those lines so I can report them. The user agreement has an age on there for a reason.

Well i have a couple things.One this is total iresponsibility if this is true about the 5 year old.I think there a REASON for why they say for ages 13+ and btw if u have a five year old playing WoW,either u must play or your kids a genious! Blizzard should tone down how high the filter is becuz if your mature enough to pay for the game yourself you should be able to listen to more inapropriate stuff!

Well i have a couple things.One this is total iresponsibility if this is true about the 5 year old.I think there a REASON for why they say for ages 13+ and btw if u have a five year old playing WoW,either u must play or your kids a genious! Blizzard should tone down how high the filter is becuz if your mature enough to pay for the game yourself you should be able to listen to more inapropriate stuff!

personally what you do with your 5 year old is your choice. But, if you can't accept that there are going to be things in an adult game that they shouldn't hear or see, then he shouldn't be playing. Im sorry but I agree with Krydon. I think he's probably going about it the wrong way but he's absolutely right that a child should be playing with his friends in the backyard riding his bike and being active rather than playing world of warcraft. Lets be realistic, by the time he's 20 he'll be playing 24/7 and living in your basement. UH OH! But, again what you do with your kid is up to you. I would remember to turn on the profanity filter and continue to watch him intently when he plays.

As a guild master, of a guild that talks about more than desirable chat for children, we have an age limit of 16. Either way there is no way to know how old someone is unless i ask for a scan of their id or something crazy like that. It is up to parents to know what their children are doing and witnessing. I'll be damned if i get into trouble because someone in my guild said something about buttsex and a 13 year old kid heard it because he lied about his age. I feel it's my right to create a guild and discuss whatever I want as long as it follows the rules set forth by Bliz.

Remember people, there is so much more to life than wow, and there is so much more to childhood. Don't let them miss it because of a game that mommy and daddy can't walk away from. You'll find you've missed their childhood and the best years of your life with them.

It's blizzards game let them do what they want they have that right.

This isn't related directly to this case but more in general. As far as 5 year olds playing the that's up to the parent I can't say one way or the other. What I will say is that it's the parents responsibility to monitor his/her child that does play not the game company. If something is inappropriate (whatever it may be) for your child to see then it's your job to pull the plug not whine and complain till the company does something about it. The offending person or persons have just as much right to play as you do (or your child does). As long as the offending parties are playing within the rules of the game (which was not the case this time but there are plenty of instances where they are) you have no right to try and alter there gameplay to accomidate what you feel should be appropriate.

OMG! Eurydice post was so damn funny! I was wondering when someone was going to bring up tasers

You could certainly use it.

"Hey, I recognize you. You're the typical WoW teen who can't think up anything better than gay porn and masturbation comments."

"For example, look at the jackass who posted before me. She lets her 5 year old play WoW. What a moron! "

This is the person who I want giving me sound parenting advice. Please bestow more wisdom upon us.

Who on earth would defend pedophiles anyway? INdeed!! Blizz did the right thing by finally banning this guild!

I don't condone reporting every little thing that ticks me off like silly names or arrogant jackass behavior but you better damn well bet I will be reporting public explicit sexual behavior and most especially any pedophilia behaviors I spot!! Whether certain arrogant characters like it or not, children do and will continue to play these games. It's our jobs as mature adults and parents to protect them by monitoring that play time and reporting indecent behaviors.

Don't taze me, bro!

Someone needs to get tazed.

Quit crying, warwarrior. I may come off as crude, but I'm entitled to express my opinion. Go elsewhere if you want to, but I doubt your friends would follow. I've said nothing profane, and I'm not spamming, so there's nothing you can do about it. Expressing myself isn't flaming, and this is the only topic I've commented on so you can't even claim I've been "flaming everyone." Your assumption that I am ignorant and your past comments about me, which were nothing more than quick insults with no support, show that you are not an "ADULT MATURE gamer" to begin with. Besides, Sanya said this thread is done. Leave it be.

Are there any admins on Guild Cafe or are they all just sitting there watching these conversations because this Krydon is a real asshole and he's ruining the atmosphere of what I perceived to be a good place for ADULT MATURE gamers to hang out. If something isn't done about his flaming and insults on other people. I will have to take my time elsewhere and take my friends with me. This is like the fourth article post I have read with his insults and flaming on them. Please add a feature like Gamespot where the community can report the users and have him banned. He has nothing good to say about anyone or anything and he is just plain ignorant

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People who judge others from their own knowledge whiteout putting themselves in the other persons shoes is by definition inconsiderate, and bias so no one should believe or feel bad by anything such a person says
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It is true that gaming can expose young kids to words or material that is not suited for young viewers. Yet so does bringing you kid to the park or letting him play whit the next door neighbor (condom rapers and needles, .....), it is important to have supervision. If you let your 5 years old go play soccer at the park whiteout supervision your are just as much to blame as someone who opens the Tv instead of taking care of there kids, I think there are many ways to raise a kid properly, yet the ingredient that is required in all cases is respect, time and care. Thus if digitaldiva73 wants to raise her kid yet let him play computer game than so be it, according to me its a thousand time better than letting your kid watch Tv (whiteout supervision of course)(this is just one link I found really easily that proves my point) (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=yTbU9hEea4IC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=television+kids&ots=gpXFCu_moz&sig=M6ZjsV6zcsIdF3rZLwYHPTBLOmo#PPR8,M1)
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There is no such thing as being a bad parent, the real bad ones are the one that give no time to their kids, that don't care and don't respect them)

Sorry Going back on the topic:
Yes I do believe it is great that Blizzard disbanded this guild, I don't care if this was a teen rated game, an adult game or any other type of game, I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy and I am glad they are actually restraining some of it.
Who really want to have people like that as team mates, I don't, and I expect their behavior not to be very popular whit mature players.
See Gaming for some is not about pouring all your anger into the game, for most of us its about having fun and enjoying a good PVP match or collecting items, god people even find wifes and husband in those games, you even have people keeping in touch whit their spouse, and god knows how hard it is to have a long distance relationship, (props on you digitaldiva).

Ok you guys take care and please don't write too overly bias crap on the web.

My darlings, one more flame and I am afraid I'll have to start deleting. These news comment threads can't be locked at the present time.

My two cents: WoW, and I believe all of the commercially successful MMOs, are rated Teen. That means the company and the community bear ZERO responsibility towards making a game safe for a five year old child.

When parents ask me if it is safe/a good idea for their child to play an MMO, I ask them if they would allow their child to play at a busy urban park (NOT a playground, a park, where adults have an EXPECTATION of using the space). Some parents say yes, with close supervision. I say, there's your answer. I also tell them that there will be things they don't want their child to see, and that is is THEIR problem, not the company's or the other players'.

I also know a few toddlers who play MMOs, with color coded keys and a macro that auto-replies "I am three years old and cannot reply. If I am behaving badly, please /tell my mother, XYZ."

Finally, having been on the Dark Side for years, there is probably more to this story than we are going to know, and since we don't have all the information, speculation needs to be light and lighthearted, not dramariffic flame bait. Thanks!

Anyone who signs the EULA to play an online game must know that the game company who owns the game can do whatever they want to you. Whether it is disband your guild, destroy your characters, re-do the combat system, etc.

I dare say that it definitely wasn't in Blizzard's best interest (i.e. making money) to have a guild in the game that openly promoted sexual themes that are considered extreme. If they WANTED to have an online world where openness and personal expression reigns, then it would be a different story. But they are building and maintaining both a game and a business, and when something hurts the business aspect... well, it's their property, and they can do what they want.

Plz spare us for ur smalltake and ur quarrelling, stay to the subject. And Btw Krydon, after looking on some of your previous comments, and i think u r not in a position to put ur self in the catagori of intelligent, stop spamming with ur uninterresting and unrelevant comments..

I think it is about time that blizzard did something about those perverts..

Hey, I recognize you. You're the typical WoW teen who can't think up anything better than gay porn and masturbation comments. Way to lower the overall IQ. Gratz. Oh, and keep in mind, not everyone lives with their mom. Good going.

Let me know when you come up with anything remotely intelligent to offer as an opinion from your mother's basement besides "you look at gay porn! PWN3D!"

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Crydon, Shut up and go masturbate to some more gay porn please and spare us of your stupid posts. To bad your mommy doesn't follow the same psychology that you spew and keep you on a short leash.

EDIT: LOL you live in New Orleans. Good job make'n my state look shitty like so many others. +1 level for you!

There is lots wrong with it, and I still think she's a bad mother. I don't care how many people agree with her or how many links she shows me to prove she's not the only one. As far as I'm concerned, they're all bad parents if they let 5 year old children play WoW. They need to go on Dr. Phil and have him tell them what's what.

If it's okay for your child to play WoW because you think you're a good enough parent to teach him right from wrong, then it's okay for someone to PK him, do /spit on his corpse, tell their friend "he got raped!," dance "naked" and erotically in front of him (which, to me, is already too much for my children to see at that age), and talk to him about adult-related topics in game. See, you're missing something...if someone does something you don't want your child to see, you can tell him it's wrong, but the fact is he still saw it. It's not a child's game. I'll go back to my previous analogy: you can bring your 5 year old to a bar or a strip club and tell him what's right or wrong, but he's still seeing it and hearing it. The only thing protecting that kid isn't you or his father, digitaldiva, but rather the fact that he's too young to read well enough to know what's being said by others. Your son should be fingerpainting or playing in a sandbox, not logging into a game like WoW.

Try this game if you simply MUST play something with your child online.

http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?r=615160&r=904572&r=918465&r=968002

Krydon, stop being such an asshole. Kat is a great parent and as long as she supervises her child while playing WoW, there is nothing wrong with it.

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Ok a guild got disbanded for breaking the rules...

I dont see why thats news? Happens in games everyday.

Krydon, you're just an ass man. Seriously, nuff said.

@Krydon: You are not worth my time. The link below says I'm not the only one and it's not wrong:

http://www.guildcafe.com/Favorite/World_of_Warcraft/My_5yr_old_in_PvP

I still believe you are a jackass. I don't really care that you and your husband play with your child. I can take my kid to an adult bookstore or a bar and tell him to close his eyes or tell him what's right or wrong. Neither that nor the fact that I'm with him would make any of that acceptable.

Kuranes said: "As for people letting their kids play online when the game clearly has an ESRB rating which basically advice them not to, I'd say it's about time to get a god damned grip on yourselves. The whole rating system is designed to protect children from "morally offensive" content, yet people willingly expose their children to it and then complain about it afterwards. How about taking some responsiblity for your kids and their online adventures instead and let people who are actually allowed to play the game have their fun?"

Well said. There is a Disney MMO designed for children as well as virtual chatrooms where people can come together to keep in touch and make little avatars and such. Your 5 year old doesn't need to be playing World of Warcraft when it is clearly designed for people far older than he is. Take some responsibility and get your kid off the game. I respect your husband for being in the military and all, but there are other ways to keep in touch with him besides WoW.

And you said, "You have lost much respect from many of the gaming parents in the community. Whether my son is on the computer or out at school, he will be exposed to it..."

You're right. I have lost respect because irresponsible people like you let kids play games rated T and M and then think your 5 year old will be exposed to things like this at school. If that was the case for me, I'd be very concerned and put my child in another school.

I really don't care how you or anyone else feels. I still think you're a shitty parent.

@Krydon: You judge my motherhood before you know me?! Don't even call me a jackass. There are few parents who sit with their kids and and MONITOR what is going on and I sit WITH MY HUSBAND and our son and we game together and I monitor this, yet you judge me? Please read http://www.guildcafe.com/Favorite/World_of_Warcraft/My_5yr_old_in_PvP comments about how wonderful it is to have parents gaming with their kids. And it is even rightfully so when my husband deploys and can game with my sons when he cannot be there because he is out defending your right to call his wife a jackass before you even know me. You have little respect for some parents who take the time to be with their children instead of sitting them in front of the television and doing their own thing. You have lost much respect from many of the gaming parents in the community. Whether my son is on the computer or out at school (or sitting on my lap reading it!!), he will be exposed to it, but my husband and I are THERE to tell him what it right and what it wrong, unlike some parents, which is why these teens run away to be with men online they do not know. You judge me and you do not know me.

Thank you to these fine people who gave much respect with my last post on my son and understanding that parents getting involved with gaming is a GOOD THING.

Adel_
Adythiel
Angel Larreto
Berenad
Bishop
chaley2
Cronx
Crystalia
Cuotl
Eurydice
evanofam
Goddess Wills
Grimparrot
Iatchi
License2stab
MaeveAlleine
mephit2000
Muffynz Nogegon
Roxianna
samhain
sepia
Shadow
Syrra
tekhedd
Tryax
TxTurbo
Vanity
Velaria
Vorbis
Yeti
Zeldar

So Krydon, you lost a lot of respect, do not judge my parenting!

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I continously find it amusing to see the duality in the moral of both gamers and game developers alike. On one hand it is ok to explicitly commit genocide on several species and commit wholesale slaughter of human beings in-game because they drop "phat lewt", but on the other it is strictly forbidded to engage in a virtual and textual representation of the most fundamental act of humanity in existence - and even in a way that is in no way explicit, except in the minds of the willing participants (and in front of the keyboard if one is so inclined, though I do not agree with that kind of "engagement" ).
Granted, when one is contacted by a total stranger in a MMO who's obviously trying to engage in some kind of "cybering" activity, it is an icky situation not unlike that of having someone moan in your phone; but the great thing about MMOs is that you actually have a choice opposed to the real world. That choice is called "the ignore list". If you are bothered by other people engaging in what can be percieved as "sexually explicit wording of acts they wish to perform on one another" then ignore them and move on.

As for people letting their kids play online when the game clearly has an ESRB rating which basically advice them not to, I'd say it's about time to get a god damned grip on yourselves. The whole rating system is designed to protect children from "morally offensive" content, yet people willingly expose their children to it and then complain about it afterwards. How about taking some responsiblity for your kids and their online adventures instead and let people who are actually allowed to play the game have their fun?

I know it is Blizzards right to deny people access to their game as they pretty much see fit and censor certain spoken utterings if they find them offensive due to the EULA; but think about it for a moment - Blizzard have dispersed a wholly legal organisation due to the words spoken by said members of that organisation.

Is this not a violation of the "virtual" freedom of speech, based on the fact that it is econimically more rewarding to cater to reckless parents than horny gamers?

Think about it for a moment. =]

@Krydon: You judge my motherhood before you know me?! Don't even call me a jackass. There are few parents who sit with their kids and and MONITOR what is going on and I sit WITH MY HUSBAND and our son and we game together and I monitor this, yet you judge me? Please read http://www.guildcafe.com/Favorite/World_of_Warcraft/My_5yr_old_in_PvP comments about how wonderful it is to have parents gaming with their kids. And it is even rightfully so when my husband deploys and can game with my sons when he cannot be there because he is out defending your right to call his wife a jackass before you even know me. You have little respect for some parents who take the time to be with their children instead of sitting them in front of the television and doing their own thing. You have lost much respect from many of the gaming parents in the community. Whether my son is on the computer or out at school, he will be exposed to it, but my husband and I are THERE to tell him what it right and what it wrong, unlike some parents, which is why these teens run away to be with men online they do not know. You judge me and you do not know me.

Thank you to these fine people who gave much respect with my last post on my son and understanding that parents getting involved with gaming is a GOOD THING.

Adel_
Adythiel
Angel Larreto
Berenad
Bishop
chaley2
Cronx
Crystalia
Cuotl
Eurydice
evanofam
Goddess Wills
Grimparrot
Iatchi
License2stab
MaeveAlleine
mephit2000
Muffynz Nogegon
Roxianna
samhain
sepia
Shadow
Syrra
tekhedd
Tryax
TxTurbo
Vanity
Velaria
Vorbis
Yeti
Zeldar

So Krydon, you lost a lot of respect, do not judge my parenting!

"I would say that if you think cybersex is appropriate and even ok within a video game, you should try getting out more. Video games are designed to play, not for a realm of satisfying sexual desires. Even doing stuff in private group chat would be a little strange in my opinion because why would someone look to a video game to engage in something like that?"

MMORPGs are more then normal video games, they contain a community and also have the social functions wich make it possible to do just that. Now if it's an FPS game where you're running around shooting people at a fast pace then yeah, it might be an odd place to engage in that activity, but an MMORPG could be nothing more then a chatroom to some people.

Regarding the decision that Blizzard made, why is it at all shocking? You can't even communicate cross faction, and if you think that's a decision they made to enhance the immersion (I'm not completely sure on this, was it because they wanted to protect the kids to keep them as an income source, or to avoid having to deal with the incredible bomb of retard that the trash talk would be?) then I laugh at your ignorance.

They designed the game for immature kids, they still design the game for immature kids, and they will design the game for immature kids untill there's no designing left to do in the game.

This is why every MMORPG should be rated M by default. Kids shouldn't be playing games with adults. Firstly, because it can be harmful to the kids, and secondly, and in my opinion more importantly, because some people think the rights of the adult players should be limited to protect the kids. Kids don't belong in online games, and other players aren't responsibile for what some kid does in a game. That's what parents are for. It should be assumed that in any MMORPG there will be adult content, so every MMORPG should get an ESRB rating of M automatically. It certainly won't stop the kids from playing it, but it will make the parents accountable for letting their kids play it in the first place.

For example, look at the jackass who posted before me. She lets her 5 year old play WoW. What a moron! Here is a game rated T for people 14+ and she's letting a 5 year old play it. These are the types of irresponsible mothers who will someday allow their 13 year old children to play M rated games and then whine about the violence. Her child has his own WoW account and he is 5 years old! Why is a 5 year old playing WoW at all? What about kindergarten? What about playing in the sandbox with other children? I can maybe understand letting the kid sit on your knee sometimes and watch you play, but c'mon! This is disgusting and it is a sign or poor parenting. Some people just don't deserve to have kids.

My 5yr old plays WoW with my husband and I and some "female" sent him a whisper that she wanted him to do <insert extreme sexual acts> to her. I instantly reported her and told her that "this is my 5yr olds account and he CAN read some words, and as his mother, I am reporting you for trying to pursue indecent behavioral acts with a minor". She (if it were a she) didn't ask any age, name, or any personal information, just strictly SEX. If it is consenting between two adults (ADULTS) then that is their personal matters in private, but sending that out to anyone looking for sex in a virtual game is an extremely adolescent, not to mention stupid, action.

Now we cannot dismiss the facts that there are people who get together in games, some even end up getting married, and therefore some sort of relationship must have started somehow to get them to walk down the aisles, but most of those mmorpg adult relationships are not based off cybersex as the above guild seems to find amusing. Personally, their disrespect for others as well as the developer's rules and regulations, and their extreme cyber sexual activities, AND especially their prey off little children should not just get the guild disbanned, but characters in the guild suspended and logged for future law enforcement review.

If you think about it , guys who ask for cyber random people are the online equivalent of the pervs who phone random people and start breathing heavly or spouting insanities .

Still what goes in a private chat stay private as long as the party involved are consenting adults , but again it's dumb to pay 15$ a month to engage in cybersex with total stranger , I'm sure you can setup a date with 15$ ^^

"I can understand if you want to engage in some hawt cybersex with another player, but I'd always ask their age and talk to them to gauge maturity level first." Ama-Ebi Ogata 9-19-2007

I would say that if you think cybersex is appropriate and even ok within a video game, you should try getting out more. Video games are designed to play, not for a realm of satisfying sexual desires. Even doing stuff in private group chat would be a little strange in my opinion because why would someone look to a video game to engage in something like that?

I agree with Blizzard's decision, and while they cannot control what individuals do in their personal life, they can control displays of behavior within their property, or the virtual world they created, host, and own.

I think it is funny how the spelling error in the title snuck in at Filefront and made its way over here.

Because humans are stupid.

It's kinda lame for the guild to almost challenge Blizzard on this matter.

RP should have some limits in regards to public decency. I can understand if you want to engage in some hawt cybersex with another player, but I'd always ask their age and talk to them to gauge maturity level first. Then, do stuff in a private group chat.

Children do play MMOs and as adults, we need to look out for predators that prey upon kids. I can't understand why anyone would want to RP a pedophile.

Umm...We see that everywhere in WoW.