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We Will Not Forget 9-11-01

The anniversary of 9-11 is upon us and many of us military spouses (as myself), family, and friends cannot let go of this tragedy because it hits home every time our loved ones deploy. September 10 is my birthday and yet I feel a sadness among celebration of life, thus made me take the time to create this video. Dedicated to my husband, my best friend, my gaming partner - who serves proudly and does so because he, too, still fights for those we lost in 9-11-01. Did you forget? Have your opinions about the war, but I am still proud of my husband. I know I don't have the courage to go into war, whether I believed in it or not, there are WORSE COUNTRIES than the USA and all some can do is condemn our government. Yes, there are things I don't agree with, yes there are things I believe differently, but I dang sure will stand by my husband and support him and LOVE my country because I know I have it a heck of a lot better than other countries. But this is for 9-11-01

Edited by digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:25am: Minor edits

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From: digitaldiva73 on 18-Oct-2007 at 11:08am

[Samhain wrote:] If you read this and my words pissed you off and made you sign up for one more peace rally... Good. Don't bother trying to reply to this and get me hot under the collar, because I laugh at the words of liberals. Our men and women are fighting and dying so liberal fucktards can be free to protest, smoke pot and dream of free health care for the poor and lazy. [end]

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I can't stop laughing because you took the words right out of my mouth along with many of the military troops. Thumbs up Sam! Actually, there is a picture of Hilary Clinton shaking the hand of our military troops and there is a secret hand shake between the military guys which one code means "Fuck You" and all the military guys are shaking Hilary Clinton's hand with that hand code on the other hand in the picture! People don't know of these signals and little things they don't recognize, but those who do know, laugh silently at those who think "See, our military loves <insert politician>, they are shaking his/her hand with a smile!" ... *cough*

(Edited by digitaldiva73 on 18-Oct-2007 at 10:09am: Minor edits)

From: Pendrako on 22-Sep-2007 at 05:50am

@ samhain: I was thinking about writing a long and detailed post about the innocent civilians killed by terrorists in London, Madrid, India, Israel, Turkey, Moscow, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, the Phillipines, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia, and the almost daily bombing targetting the civilians of Iraq, but I get the feeling you don't really care about those.


From: samhain on 19-Sep-2007 at 11:15am

Since we unleashed our fury in places like iraq, afghanistan and other muslim hotbeds around the world, how many innocent American civilians have died from terrrorist attacks in the US?

oh ya.. 0.. zero.

Our war against islamic fundamentalist based terrorists is justified and reasonable. We chose Iraq and Afghanistan because they were the paths of least resistance and known government backed supporters of anti-western terrorism with clearly defined intentions of doing harm to the West.

If we were not at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, terrorists would be plotting bomb attacks in our airports, subways, schools and shopping malls.

Instead every terrorist in the middle east has safe passage to Afghanistan or Iraq and given the opportunity to fight American soldiers on a level playing field and die for allah and have a harem of women for eternity like they want. I'm glad we have a few hundred thousand men and women in the army, airforce and Marines who are willing to help these people become martyrs.

Anyone who is anti-war is probably so far removed from 9/11 and see 9/11 as just an "oopsie" type situation. If you think this war is about oil, you're a retard.

In 1991, we defeated Iraq in a war in which they invaded Kuwait. Iraq had SURRENDERED to the United States. One stipulation of that ceasefire was that Iraq had to follow UN resolutions. They did not. Iraq tried to assinate George Bush Sr. They shot at our planes for years flying in legal airspace, they pushed every button during the clinton administration, knowing that he would never strike back and unleash a fiery hell upon iraq because its not the way of the liberal.

The republicans took back our government and gave iraq and Saddam Hussein much overdue bitch slap.

If you read this and my words pissed you off and made you sign up for one more peace rally... Good. Don't bother trying to reply to this and get me hot under the collar, because I laugh at the words of liberals.

Our men and women are fighting and dying so liberal fucktards can be free to protest, smoke pot and dream of free health care for the poor and lazy. DIAF.


From: Helizar on 14-Sep-2007 at 05:46pm

Just to clarify my last comment. I am not supporting tyranny. There absolutely has to be cooperation among nations. You just can't go to war with whoever the hell you feel like one day. And that just doesn't happen either. We have elected representatives and officials. Those leaders make decisions for our country. If there is evidence that one country is a threat to our country, you better believe that I want my representatives and leaders to do something about it. I know these are general statements. I know there are a lot of other things going on. But I think this is one of the basic reasons we are fighting this war in Iraq. And fighting this war against terrorists. And I think people get side-tracked in their thinking with all of the other things and forget about the basics.


From: Helizar on 14-Sep-2007 at 12:57pm

@Pendrako: You are wording it like a handful of 5 years olds are running the country. Our leaders have to decide what's best for America. If that makes come countries cringe, or some countries offended - tough. That's what's called "protecting our nations interests". Why do people have such a hard time dealing with this concept?


From: digitaldiva73 on 14-Sep-2007 at 02:40am

@Pendrako: America did not become what it is today overnight, not even in a few years. It took two wars, the revolutionary war and the civil war before we started, STARTED, to hit the tip of the iceberg on our freedom and rights. Yes progress is slow, according to a friend of ours, who is a contractor who worked over there on their roads, the progress is slow not because of the United States, but because the country lacks in so much to get them going. All those Iraqi's who want us there and who are helping the US, are brave men and women, they don't have what we have (roads, electricity, tap water, computers, etc) and yet they still go to work with the US on building their cities up whether walking to the places or riding their bikes, and they also have to worry EVERYDAY about getting blown up on the way to work or on the way back or fearing that their families will be dead when they return home, simply because they are helping the the US to help themselves. More Iraqi's WANT US THERE to give them a chance at the life they could not have when Saddam was in Leadership, especially the women. Please don't say my husband goes over there to fight for nothing, he is proud to be there and help those who want it. They have never had the choices they are given now thanks to us and he wont back down on helping them achieve the right to choose. We don't just go in to take out Saddam and then leave the people there to suffer the consequences of the insurgents. And if my husband wont leave until they have the necessities, I will dang sure stand by his side to support him. So yes progress is slow, but it is still progress and they have come a long way in a few years compared to what the USA has come in 50 years.

(Edited by digitaldiva73 on 14-Sep-2007 at 01:19pm: Minor edits)

From: Pendrako on 13-Sep-2007 at 07:54pm

One thing you guys need to remember is that this is an international site, and your views might be taken differently in places where we don't have liberals and neo-cons dictating our every move to us. One of the reasons why non-americans have issues with US foreign policy is because of the level of support for a pre-emptive war, ie, attack another country before they can attack you. To most people, that seems like a green light to do whatever the hell you want to do, with complete disregard for international law. It's kind of like saying you're allowed to punch people if you take offense at what they say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlUi8-9TMU

Now, if you examine the strategic objectives that have been accomplished by the invasion and occupation of Iraq, you'd have to conclude that the only one that's had any success is getting rid of Saddam. So a tyrant has been deposed, fair enough. But at what cost? If I lived in a country which used my tax money to send troops halfway around the world to die fighting in a war that achieved next to nothing, I'd be furious. Oh, wait a minute... I do.

On a personal note, if everyone could spare a thought for my girlfriends brother who was blown up by the IRA in 1979 at the age of just 15, I'd appreciate it. And even though I'm not religious, if you want to say a prayer for him, to whichever god you put your faith in, feel free.

(Edited by Pendrako on 16-Sep-2007 at 04:50am: Minor edits)

From: Mia on 12-Sep-2007 at 09:48pm

I hope your husband gets home safely.


From: Helizar on 12-Sep-2007 at 05:20pm

@digitaldiva73: Ya, the news media on the war sucks canal water. I wish they would telecast stories from the servicemen and servicewomen that are overseas. My guess is there would be an entirely different story on the presence of the American troops in Iraq. Which I'm guessing the news media doesn't want to show. They'd rather talk about every roadside bomb that goes off so they can point their finger at the Bush administration and say, "see, more violence by your war." I don't even know why it's called 'news'. They should just fess up and start telling us to tune into the nightly Anti-War Propaganda.


From: be0wulfe on 12-Sep-2007 at 01:40pm

@Spirit : get your head out of the dark hole the liberals and neo-con's have dug for you.

I'm telling you point blank and for a fact: Middle Eastern states sponsored terrorism against Israel and the West. This is not MIGHT have this is IN FACT DID. It was regularly trumpeted on TV, newspapers and on the street in the Arab world. You think the celebration in the streets in the Middle East was staged after 9/11? No son, they were genuinely happy they had killed civilians.

Where on earth did you pull might have from my statements. Goodness.

As far as the WMD - it's a dead horse, me and everyone else who says they are there is right. Everyone else is wrong. Deal with it. You are WRONG if you say there were no WMDs
Point: they were used against Iran during the Iraq-Iran war.
Point: they were used against the failed Kurdish uprising. Images of dead WOMEN and CHILDREN (those are civilians btw) on the streets of Kurdish towns were trumpted across Middle Eastern TV. They disappeared? Yeah, just like those Iraqi's MiG's went over to Iran? Again, wake UP, those WMD's and components thereof are in the hands of Iran and Syria.

Again: I KNOW this to be a fact (recall, I grew up there and was there for Iraq-Iran war and did my part for Desert Storm 1), because the Western media decides to feed you a line of crap, well, you choose what you eat, eh? There are no maybe's or possibly's here, there are facts.

So yes, this is about 9-11, but this is also about remembering that the West has a MORTAL enemy in Radical Islam (and moderate Moslem's aren't too far behind, mind you). Every time you try to forget that, remember that multi-state sponsored terrorists attacked and killed innocent American civilians. Why? Because you support Israel (a British/French concoction mind you). Because you're free. You eat pork. Drink the fermented juice of grapes. You gamble. You exult in the sluts on TV and you also go to Church every Sunday. YOU, America, stand for everything free and right-thinking. Therefore, you must submit to the will of Allah, most munificient or pay a polltax and not practice your religion. Or Convert. Or die. Oh, and cover up your women, keep them shuttered behind closed doors and they can't vote anymore. Beat them all you want, they're property. Religion of peace, indeed.


From: digitaldiva73 on 12-Sep-2007 at 01:07pm

I agree Helizar, people forget that during 9-11-01 Bush AND EVERY SINGLE REPRESENTATIVE democrat and republican AGREED to the War except 1 person. In fact, for those who don't think our servicemen and women are over there due to 9-11, then why according to the National Military Family Association do they state:

Yesterday, we joined with our Nation to honor and remember those lost or wounded in the attacks on September 11, 2001, as well as the U.S. service men and women wounded or fallen in the fight for freedom. http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee182/digitaldiva73/misc/4402cfa9.jpg

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"AS WELL AS the US service men and women ..." not just 9-11-01, but AS WELL AS ... which means we celebrate these two issue TOGETHER because the war was a direct effect OF 9-11! You cannot say that the war has nothing to do with it.

@be0wulfe and Helizar: well said. And Helizar, as I was discussing this issue with about 4 other military people who came over for dinner the other night and read this conversation I showed them, they too stated that people who say these things in regards to the war being stupid, etc. that these guys have BEEN THERE and SEEN what goes on and know things they cannot tell. One friend stated that US Americans who are against it are getting media views and people who stand by the troops don't respond to these posts because many are mature enough to know that it is wasting your time trying to tell people the truth when they only see what's on the television. Also, another wanted to know why the Americans are so against the servicemen who defend their right to be ignorant LOL

(Edited by digitaldiva73 on 12-Sep-2007 at 12:18pm: Minor edits)

From: Helizar on 12-Sep-2007 at 09:27am

When nations go to war, they have the same mindset. Kill each other. The speeches are the same. The propaganda is the same. Except I'm on this side and he's on that side. Does that mean we never go to war? No. We have to protect our country's interests and preserve the safety of the people. Does that mean we bow down to terrorists? We negotiate with them? So we don't upset them? Hardly! 'This BS war on terror is only breeding more violence' line is a crock. Terrorists will keep attacking whatever country they are given the freedom to choose, time and time again. And I am aware the US is not the only target. I don't understand why there is not more support from other countries. It would be in every country's best interest to get involved. For all of you free-thinking individuals out there who think war is wrong, how do you think the US became what it is? There is no such thing as a love-everyone society. Cultures are different. Cultures clash. War will never be taken out of the equation. Cultures need to be defended, or they will be snuffed out. Watch '300'. Same thing. You may find this disgusting, but I'm an American. When terrorists attack American people on our own land, I take offense to that. Am I the only one here in this discussion who believes that?


From: Amnar on 11-Sep-2007 at 06:23pm

@ Helizar: Open your eyes buddy.

Take that entire paragraph you just typed, and replace "Saddam Hussein" with "USA" and that could be one of Bin Laden's bullshit speeches. Same mindset, same train of thought.

If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.

That's a great quote by Abraham Maslow, think about it.

This BS war on terror is only breeding more violence, and it's doing absolutely nothing to address the root causes of the problem. Don't think for a second that islamic fundamentalists only target the US, there has been a lot of bloodshed, terrorist acts and government clampdowns alike in Algeria and Egypt over the last few decades, it's really nothing new.


From: Helizar on 11-Sep-2007 at 12:46pm

@Spirit: We are at war. We went to war over specific reasons involving the actions of Saddam Hussein. When a nation is at war with another, people are going to die. We can only act on what our best intel can provide. Yes there are maybe's. Yes there are possibly's. Random? No. Ugly? Yes. That's war.
As far as WMD, thank god we didn't find any or we would not be having this heated discussion. Saddam gave us no choice but to search for WMD. Are you willing to gamble with these people on that?
But yes, 9/11 is a terrorist attack separate from the war. But we are involved with terrorists all the same in this war.


From: Spirit on 11-Sep-2007 at 11:17am

Be0wulfe:

Right...so because POSSIBLY, some country MIGHT have funded terrorism, despite us having no proof of this, nor any proof of which of a great number of countries this could have been, this gives us the right to pick any country at random and invade them?

...yeah right. I guess the WMD's also existed and just miraculously dissapeared.

You can't start killing people over maybe's and possibly's.

but anyway, the war doesn't matter, because it has nothing to do with 9/11.
This is meant to be about the people who died that day, and so this is the last I'll say except for giving my condolances to those who lost people on that day.


From: Helizar on 11-Sep-2007 at 09:24am

@be0wulfe: Very well stated. I couldn't have said it better.


From: Ama-Ebi Ogata on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:50pm

Some very beautiful and heartbreaking images in the video. A very well done tribute.

My heart goes out to all the victims of the attacks on that day, all the rescue workers who lost their lives, and all the service men and women who stand ready to fight for our country as well as the families of all listed as they often have the hardest job of all...going ahead with life without a loved one.

Just on a side note, when we lived in Germany between 2001-2004, every Sept 11th the German's who lived near our post would place flowers and light candles at each of the entry/exit gates to honour us and let us know that they remembered our heartache as well. I found this to be a very touching gesture to witness. A little empathy can go a long way in the world.


From: Abdo on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:53pm

Come on people, we all know that people have different opinions when it comes to the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism, don't drag that in to a conversation that should be about remembering those who died in the attacks of 9/11 (and we are remembering not celebrating this day). So please no more politics, just remember. And to those men and women in the armed forces out there I thank, even though I may not believe in the actions of our government, you have nothing but my highest respect.


From: Amnar on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:22pm

@Helizar

I find this comment extremely offensive:

"I highly disagree with your statement about terrorism having nothing to do with nationality or religion."

Why don't you add colour while you're at. Maybe sex too. What religion and nationality was Timothy McVeigh? Bigotry plain and simple.


From: Amnar on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:17pm

9/11 should never be forgotten, but don't let it blind you to what's going on in the world. We need to understand the reasons behind it, and not buy into this "they hate us for our freedom" bullshit.


From: tekhedd on 10-Sep-2007 at 06:53pm

Memorial day is in May. Veteran's day is in November. We all know when Independence day is.

We don't need a Terrorism day.

I'm also proud of my military friends. I'm proud of them every day, not just on designated state holidays or "Bomb NY Day".

All I can say is, why can't there be theoretical terrorists (and real oil) in France? The weather is better, and maybe it would be easier to recruit.


From: be0wulfe on 10-Sep-2007 at 05:16pm

Oy vey Spirit, tell me you haven't swallowed that line, hook and sinker? Plain and simple, every single state in the Middle East of Arabic nationality or Muslim governance has had a hand in terrorism. Lebanon doesn't count, they're not Arab.

The simple fact remains that state sponsored terrorism DOES exist. Syria fought through it's proxies in Lebanon for years against the little Satan. Iran publicly funds Hezbollah. Saddam and his NGO's funded, directly, several Palestinian suicide bombers and even paid their families for their sacrifice.

So, one way or another, someone in the M/E was going to get whacked for 9/11. It just so happens instead of the Saudi's and the Irani's, it was the Afghans and Iraqi's. Why? Don't fool for yourself for a minute, neither regime was liked by ANYONE. The Saudi's, heck no, the Russians and Chinese would let that happen over their dead bodies. Iran? Russian client state in name only (crazy damn Ivans). It's called real politik and yes, Virginia, it sucks to be a liberal right now. Deal with it.

Face it, bub, if you're a free-thinking, Christian or Secular man or woman - in short, unless you're a prole Muslim, these nutjobs are gunning for you, your family and yes, even your little dog. They want you all to convert or die and since you've shown to be resistant to their World View, you've already given up the right to life. Oh, yes, you'll be given a chance to convert as you're sliding ass first down a rather sharp spike. Your soul may be saved, but your mortal husk is toast.

And lest you write me off as a right-wing nutcase, I speak with the best possible authority on this topic. I grew up in one of those countries - lived their for years in fact. And although it's said unfamiliarity breeds contempt, nothing instills a bone-deep knowledge of your enemy than living amongst them for as many years as I did (more than 10, less than 20 )

We are the silent majority, but not any more. Stuff politics, stuff the left, the right, the executive, the judicial and the legislative, the transnational progressivists, the nationalist, the socialist, they can all go Ben Franklin a kite. Because they don't care. About you. About me.

My deepest and most sincere gratitude to all the men and women, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, grandmothers, grandfathers, aunts, uncles, nephews, cousins and grandchildren out there serving day after day - regardless of politics. It's because of you that I'm, Thank God Almighty Free At Last, and staying that way.

Come home safe guys and gals, we love you.


From: Spirit on 10-Sep-2007 at 02:06pm

Iraq, as a country, has never launched any terrorist attacks. It wouldn't be able to. Countries can't commit terrorist acts, it goes against the whole classification of terrorism. Calling it a "war on terror" is a complete misnomer. If GWB and his cronies are to be believed, it is either a war on dictatorship or a war on the possibility of military assault from another country.

Tjhul: As far as I know, Al qaida were/are based in Afghan, but that wasn't the point anyway. If they had invaded Afghan, they might have had half a leg to stand on, while at the moment they have none.


While I respect the fact that digitaldiva's spouse is fighting for his country, I don't see what that has to do with 9/11, or why in the process of remembering 9/11 we should be supporting the war on Iraq, which has nothing to do with the terrorist bombings on a rather large building.

Let's all remember pancakes on 7/7 next year eh? If we're going to make it completely irrelevant, we may as well make it tasty too.


From: Helizar on 10-Sep-2007 at 12:38pm

@Tjuhl: Since terrorists just don't come out and say "Here I am, prosecute me", they need to be hunted down. Call it war, call it prosecuting, call it immoral or illegal. It needs to be done to preserve our own safety. I understand the war in Iraq is a separate issue, but with regards to terrorists, tracking down terrorists is ongoing and active. It's not just waiting for another attack and then tracking leads. It's about beating terrorists to the punch. I believe many people in the US don't see it this way. They say we caused terrorists to become more active and more hateful. Wake up America. If we turn the other cheek, we are going to get slapped harder 10 fold.
I highly disagree with your statement about terrorism having nothing to do with nationality or religion.


From: digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 12:35pm

Anyways -- Please fly your flag tomorrow 9-11-01 in memory of those who have fallen in 9-11

My video was out of a good gesture, not to help choose your next president of 2008


From: digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 12:26pm

@Tjuhl: Are you over there? No. Have some respect for the soldiers, they aren't over there killing people just to make them do what the USA wants. And YES my husband did join because he wanted to, not because of finances, his family is very wealthy ty. There are good people in the world doing things JUST BECAUSE and not for themselves. Sorry you think otherwise.

(Edited by digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 11:30am: Minor edits)

From: Tjuhl on 10-Sep-2007 at 11:25am

@Spirit: they were no Afghan terrorists. They were citizens from many different countries and their terrorist act had absolutely nothing to do with their nationality - only with their personal (fanatic) beliefs.

@Goddess Wills: you're right, it's a memorial. A highly politicised one, however.

@Helizar: most terrorists that were busted or that were (in their means) successful lived in northern hemisphere countries. Becoming a terrorist had absolutely nothing to do with their nationality or their religion. Terroristic behavior derives from personal development only and can be caused by many different means, e.g. opinions from people of influence, personal thoughts,...
Terrorists have NO ethnic or national or religious origins. Thus, a nation's army can NEVER fight terrorists in a military way, only PROSECUTE them.

@Kamujin: sleep deprivation IS inhumane torture, cutting someone's head off is murder. So those prosecuted soldiers that murdered and raped a whole Iraqi family without any reason... you really think they did their job?

@digitaldiva73: did your husband really CHOOSE to be a soldier? Or did he just have no other choice (e.g. going to college, getting a job,...) due to financial (no money to finance college,...), structural (high regional unemployment rate,...), or social (no 'vitamin B' to people who might have a job for him,...) reasons?
Oh and actually I am not a military spouse, I probably wanted to say "If I were a spouse of an US soldier, the only thing I'd want would him be home."
So you say the US soldiers are fighting for the people in their countries to enhance their democratic rights? Then please name one single country where that strategy actually worked. Building a democratic country requires one thing: willingness of the people in the specific country to become a democracy (again) and -greatly decentralized- empowering them to do so. Just going somewhere with military force, imprisoning the former leaders and then tell the people to be more democratic does apparently not work. And that's what the US troops are currently trying to do in several countries.

If you want to mourn for the victims of 9-11 - fine. But please don't mix it up with other circumstances that have absolutely nothing to do with that day. Thank you.


From: Goddess Wills on 10-Sep-2007 at 10:59am

Wish I could delete this...I hit refresh to see what everyone else sent, and it reposted what I last sent. Sorry.

(Edited by Goddess Wills on 10-Sep-2007 at 10:02am: Delete.)

From: Amethystrose on 10-Sep-2007 at 10:37am

My hearts and prayers go out to all of our men and women over there. Our guild is awaiting the return of a dear guild member who's due home this month, so this hits a little close to home right now. I just want to tell everyone to stay safe over there !!


From: digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:41am

@Kamujin: I agree. Sadly. Thank you.


From: digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:38am

@Tjuhl: QUOTE[As a spouse of an US soldier, the only thing I'd know would be that the only place I'd want my husband to be was at home.]

You had a choice to become a military spouse. I have been one for over 15yrs and a military brat since I was 18. I don't agree with everything in the government, but as sad as I am to see my spouse go, I am so very proud as well. That is what he CHOSE to do, he was not forced into it, and I CHOSE to be his spouse and endure those moments of pain because I love my husband. In fact, you have the CHOICE to choose your husband, in other countries women can't choose! Yes I want him here with me, but I don't go around condemning the government and believing everything the media throws at me ... I love the USA and I am dang proud to represent it, even as a military spouse who may not agree with everything. When I see all those other horrible countries and and children, I THANK GOD I AM AN AMERICAN because there are worse countries. Which is why it upsets me when people talk nothing but bad about our government. I vote for who I believe in, and if someone I don't like was chosen as president then obviously that means more people DID like him/her at the time, but at least I can VOTE in my country (especially as a woman).

My heart is with you and your family from one military spouse to another, even if we don't agree.

(Edited by digitaldiva73 on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:22am: Minor edits)

From: Kamujin on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:37am

Sorry, but the rest of America has forgotten.

When you hear the non-stop carping over Iraq and expectations for instant gratification.

When half of the goverment is providing moral support for the enemy and hoping that we lose to for political gain.

When people can't admit / understand that the ecomony has recovered greatly from the dotcom bubble / terrorist attacks.

When humorous over-simplifications on the Daily show pass for serious political thinking.

When our soldiers are prosecuted for doing their jobs.

When sleep deprevation is inhumane torture, but cutting someone's head off is being politically active.

When Americans ignore the fact that Sadam openly supported terrorism, including openly paying stipends to the families of suicide bombers.

Sorry, like I said. America has long since forgotten 9-11.

(Edited by Kamujin on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:46am: Minor edits)

From: Helizar on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:23am

I believe Hussein was the reason we went to war in Iraq. If you all recall, Hussein was playing cat-and-mouse with the US in sanctions and also to the UN. This has been going on since Bush Sr. I believe it was only a matter of time Hussein would have been a serious threat to the US. He had to be taken out.
As far as the war against terrorists, we will always be fighting them, whether in Iraq, or whatever other Middle Eastern country you choose. Those people hate us. They want to torture, kill us, and rape our daughters, wives, and mothers. Terrorists are a threat to the US and HAVE to be dealt with. You can argue that we are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. Do you honestly believe that to be the case? Terrorism is a culture over there. You fight a war over there and you are fighting terrorists. Plain and simple. Long live the US soldiers who uphold freedom and protect our nation. They are the reason we live in the paradise world of freedom we all take for granted.


From: Goddess Wills on 10-Sep-2007 at 09:06am

I'm leaving my thoughts on war, "terror" and "terrorists" out of this one.

Fact is, people died 6 years ago.
Innocent people.
People with families.
They were cut down in the prime of their lives, through no fault of their own. They didn't ask for this to happen.
They didn't attack "them" first.
They went to work.
They died.

I don't know about you, but I'm going to have a good cry for those pour souls and the families they left behind. I'm going to remember those who died in the WTC. I'm going to remember those who died at the Pentagon. I'm going to remember those who died on those three planes that crashed into those buildings. And I'm going to remember those who died in a plane crash in the middle of nowhere, saving unknown numbers (tens, hundreds, thousands?) of lives.

For one day (or two, if you'll start today) just forget about the war, and remember the people who died. Don't make this political. It's a memorial.


From: Pendrako on 10-Sep-2007 at 08:20am

Three out of the four perpetrators of the 7/7 London bombings were from West Yorkshire. Surely that's a good enough reason to lump it into the 'Axis of Evil'. I expect to see stealth bombers over the skies of Leeds any day now.

I've got nothing against the servicemen and women deployed in Iraq to do a very difficult job, but I've no respect for blind patriotism or an administration that sends soldiers to fight in the front line of an illegal, unneccessary war.

(Edited by Pendrako on 10-Sep-2007 at 07:23am: Minor edits)

From: Spirit on 10-Sep-2007 at 07:07am

Not only does the war in Iraq have nothing to do with 9/11, which was performed by Afghan terrorists, but I'll gladly forget 9/11 because in the grand scheme of things it was nothing. Not to disrespect anyone who lost people in the attack, but compared to things like Pearl Harbour, The Blitz, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, World War I and II, Vietnam etc. it really is a blip on the radar.

Remember kids, brown /= terrorist. There is more than one country in the Middle East. I mean, cos Germany started WWII, the French must be Nazis yeah? Cos I mean, they're both European countries.

Sometimes peoples stupidity is astounding.


From: Valor on 10-Sep-2007 at 05:49am

I am currently deployed overseas and from the perspective of an american soldier who sees what is happening here, and hears from some of these "terrorists" of what they would plan to do back home, I am glad we are here fighting and not fighting this war in the states.

I was devastated by the attacks all those years ago. I appreciate all the support of those who understand and sacrifice their military spouses as we journey away. You guys are why we are here doing what needs to be done, and why we will finish this so others will not have to.

bless you.


From: Valor on 10-Sep-2007 at 05:48am

I am currently deployed overseas and from the perspective of an american soldier who sees what is happening here, and hears from some of these "terrorists" of what they would plan to do back home, I am glad we are here fighting and not fighting this war in the states.

I was devastated by the attacks all those years ago. I appreciate all the support of those who understand and sacrifice their military spouses as we journey away. You guys are why we are here doing what needs to be done, and why we will finish this so others will not have to.

bless you.


From: Valor on 10-Sep-2007 at 05:45am

I am currently deployed overseas and from the perspective of an american soldier who sees what is happening here, and hears from some of these "terrorists" of what they would plan to do back home, I am glad we are here fighting and not fighting this war in the states.

I was devastated by the attacks all those years ago. I appreciate all the support of those who understand and sacrifice their military spouses as we journey away. You guys are why we are here doing what needs to be done, and why we will finish this so others will not have to.

bless you.


From: Tjuhl on 10-Sep-2007 at 05:14am

Err... You know that the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with the war against terror? Saddam Hussein and his regime were not terrorists, they were tyranns. No ABC weapons have been found in Iraq,...

Your husband does NOT fight for the victims of 9-11. He fights for resource and power interests of the major US corporations.

There actually is no way of fighting terrorists with military forces.

And no, the "third world" does NOT "harbor" terrorists. The policies and lobby interests and the overall behavior of the northern hemisphere countries (USA, Canada, Europe, Russia, Japan - and nowadays also China and India) CAUSE terrorists and the "third world".

As a spouse of an US soldier, the only thing I'd know would be that the only place I'd want my husband to be was at home.


From: Odin on 09-Sep-2007 at 10:52pm

Very well made. Our hearts and prayers are with everyone overseas.



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